Re: and now that this became a food-fight...

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Posted by red on September 08, 1998 at 18:31:43:
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In Reply to: Re: and now that this became a food-fight... posted by Dan on September 08, 1998 at 10:14:01:

: Excuse me, Red, but where have I degenerated this thread? I proposed a distinction in prestigious and mentioned specific zines. Your ill-tempered comments were with Ray, not me and I'll trust you to keep them there. A difference of opinion is not a removal from the argument unless yours is a weak standing.

Dan, 'tis true it was Ray's comment that finally bored to tears. But the original 'degeneration' was your's you must admit - for rather than accepting the simple invitational focus to add to the list of high-quality material you chose to denigrate the choices I made as examples ('mixed bag') and imprint 'DANS' idea of 'prestige' or
'consistancy' - which I did not define and which is highly arguable anyway.

From that point on, as you can see the posts
became a litany of 'what/who qualifies' and a
rather trivial exercise in taste criticism. You
may notice I stayed out of the matter anyway until
Ray's snide shot. But yes, you began the initial deningration and deterioration into 'my rag is better than your rag' - so own what you did and
let's move on. I would own my part, but I did do everything I could think of, starting this thread, to indicate a non-exclusive, non-judgemental place to put some of our personal discoveries and favorites out and let others look and profit as they would. You chose to ignore that focus and insert your own agenda - so it was, as you wrote it:

::There are only a handful notable zines on the net: Jacket and Slate-- they're both mentioned in Best of American Poetry. Alsop carries some big names so maybe their new zine in time could gather clout, Zoetrope definitely (but its also print), Blue Moon, and Web Del Sol's featued writers (not their magazine). The rest are all a mixed bag, a victim of their medium. Recusrive Angel, Cuis, ZuZu's Petals, and the rest you named-- their good but nothing remarkable, their audience still limited to the web. If you're talking prestige, it only belongs to those select few.
Dan

(I could have said Alsop has some big names and even some good poems - but its mostly fossilized stuff in his mixed bag and so on for your other choices. I didn't. I let that go too, preferring people check them out themselves for what serves them best.)

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: : Excuse me, Red, but where have I degenerated this thread? I proposed a distinction in prestigious and mentioned specific zines. Your ill-tempered comments were with Ray, not me and I'll trust you to keep them there. A difference of opinion is not a removal from the argument unless yours is a weak standing. : Dan, 'tis true it was Ray's comment that finally bored to tears. But the original 'degeneration' was your's you must admit - for rather than accepting the simple invitational focus to add to the list of high-quality material you chose to denigrate the choices I made as examples ('mixed bag') and imprint 'DANS' idea of 'prestige' or : 'consistancy' - which I did not define and which is highly arguable anyway. : From that point on, as you can see the posts : became a litany of 'what/who qualifies' and a : rather trivial exercise in taste criticism. You : may notice I stayed out of the matter anyway until : Ray's snide shot. But yes, you began the initial deningration and deterioration into 'my rag is better than your rag' - so own what you did and : let's move on. I would own my part, but I did do everything I could think of, starting this thread, to indicate a non-exclusive, non-judgemental place to put some of our personal discoveries and favorites out and let others look and profit as they would. You chose to ignore that focus and insert your own agenda - so it was, as you wrote it: : ::There are only a handful notable zines on the net: Jacket and Slate-- they're both mentioned in Best of American Poetry. Alsop carries some big names so maybe their new zine in time could gather clout, Zoetrope definitely (but its also print), Blue Moon, and Web Del Sol's featued writers (not their magazine). The rest are all a mixed bag, a victim of their medium. Recusrive Angel, Cuis, ZuZu's Petals, and the rest you named-- their good but nothing remarkable, their audience still limited to the web. If you're talking prestige, it only belongs to those select few. : Dan : (I could have said Alsop has some big names and even some good poems - but its mostly fossilized stuff in his mixed bag and so on for your other choices. I didn't. I let that go too, preferring people check them out themselves for what serves them best.) :

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